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Policy Solidification

I'd like it if we could have an official discussion on policy regarding what to do about spoilers once Raven Rise comes out.

First some background: Right now our policy is that the entire Wiki is inherently spoiler-filled, so there are no spoiler tags. However, we have not yet gone through a book publication, so I'm not sure how well that will hold up when we start getting angry messages along the lines of "OMS YOU RUINED THE B00K 4 ME!!1! IM GOING 2 VANDALIZ UR WIKI NOW!!!!11!"

Some proposed solutions:

  1. Leave things as they are. People should realize that a wiki about a book series will have spoilers about what happens in the books.
  2. Put a message on the front page a couple of days before the book comes out, and leave it up for a little while, to remind people of the no-spoiler-tag policy.
  3. Adjust policy to have spoiler tags for content in Raven Rise for a period of time to be designated by discussion.

I can't think of any other solutions right now, but if you have any, make sure to post them. Also, please, everyone post in support/opposition of the proposals, so we can work out a functional solution.

I'm also posting this in the appropriate thread on HallaStar Forums, and I'll copy-and-paste discussion back and forth. If you'd rather post there, feel free.

Thanks and I hope this helps us effectively work out policy! AlohaSoy 02:19, 13 April 2008 (IDT)

Well, honestly I think people should have enough common sense to see that the page will have spoilers, but I've found that very few people have common sense, so we would probably need some kind of spoiler warning. I agree with having the spoiler warning on the Raven Rise page, but I think that's all we need. I haven't really noticed how many IPs edit Hallawiki, and if there are a lot (or will be a lot) then we might even need to consider preventing IPs from editing the Raven Rise page if we think it's going to be that bad. (I don't think it'll be THAT bad, but I'm just putting it out there) ~ Bella Swan 03:27, 14 April 2008 (IDT)

Yeah, I don't think noobs that haven't figured out that a site about a new book will have spoilers for the book should be that much of a priority. However, maybe we could have a section on the main page that says what the latest new work for which the site was updated was? For example, right now the latest source of information was The Pilgrims of Rayne, so that would be put in the new section. Just a thought. -Milo Tilton 23:19, 14 April 2008 (IDT)

Place a HUGE banner on the front page permanently, stating that there shall and always be spoilers in the wiki. this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:Mmm122

I think that just sort of looks kinda ugly, and non-prettylike. That's kinda what always bothered me about spoiler tags, they have to look ugly so that people notice them. Yet, if we somehow made it look pretty... then maybe. this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:Bella Swan

I think that a banner on the main page of the Wiki is all that you would need, saying that yes, there ARE spoilers on this site. If people don't read the main page before exploring, that's their fault. And, the banner doesn't have to be ugly, some people are really good at the photoshop stuff. Doomy seems to have left, but I'm sure that there's someone on here who can make purdy things . . . this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:Defying.Expectations

I can do some things with GIMP. I could try to make a spoiler banner. this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:VL
Like, wikipedia gave up on putting spoiler tags, but put a notice that there will be spoilers on the wiki. How about putting a notice, just bigger? this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:Mmm122

i dont think it needs a spoiler tag or banner if they dont have enough common sense not to look something up on a wiki that they havent read then its their fault this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:ajas my gurl

At least a banner on the front page would do them some good. this comment made on HallaStar Forums by User:Mmm122

I've done a rought example of a banner we could use here, tell me what you think. Should we use some kind of image to draw more attention? Is the red a bit much? ~ Bella Swan 03:42, 18 April 2008 (IDT)

I would support a banner like that, but I think it would have to specifically mention Raven Rise. Perhaps "Please note that HallaWiki does contain spoilers for Raven Rise and the other books. Read at your own risk." Does this make sense? AlohaSoy 04:35, 18 April 2008 (IDT)
But if we mention Raven Rise specifically would we leave it on there permanently or just a reasonable amount of time to where anyone who is going to read it will have had the chance to finish it spoiler-free? Ajas my gurl 07:02, 18 April 2008 (IDT)
I would leave it for like a month. I think nearly everyone will have finished it by then. AlohaSoy 04:29, 19 April 2008 (IDT)
But what if the person just started the series and was curious what a bunch of stuff meant? For example, they might look up "tak" and learn, like, a whole load of spoilers. mmm122 is Tape Boy 15:32, 21 April 2008 (IDT)
We can't keep it up forever, there will obviously be some people that will, for some strange reason, think that Hallawiki won't have spoilers. We can't cater to all of them; there has to be a limit. I think one month would be fine. ~ Bella Swan 23:44, 21 April 2008 (IDT)
I guess you're right... ~mmm122 is Tape Boy UBX Shop Contributions 01:53, 22 April 2008 (IDT)
I think we should use a big banner for the first month, and just put a small note under the header afterwards. It won't do much harm. ~mmm122 is Tape Boy UBX Shop Contributions 01:55, 22 April 2008 (IDT)

Alright, in my sandbox I've made the big banner, and a smaller note under the 'Welcome to Hallawiki' banner. Would that be OK? ~ Bella Swan 20:53, 22 April 2008 (IDT)

Yes, but I thought of yet another possibility that really would screw this up. You see, someone finishes the first book and maybe a few more books later in the series, but then, they search Denduron. Of course, Denduron has book 8 spoilers and the searcher wouldn't know that because they'd think the rest of the books wouldn't relate to Denduron anymore. ~mmm122 is Tape Boy Halla♦Star Forums Account UBX Shop Contributions 03:42, 23 April 2008 (IDT)
Again, I'm of the view that they should be prepared for that. I'd assume that if they've read at least a few of the books they'll know that several territories can be "reinvolved" after their turning point has passed (they should recognize this definitely if they've read BW or beyond.) AlohaSoy 04:44, 23 April 2008 (IDT)

Discussion of the discussion and other side notes

Just a note: I plugged this on HallaCast, so expect a possible upsurge of participants. ;) VL, HallaNet Webmaster~Talk~UBX Shop 22:19, 13 April 2008 (IDT)

Yay! That's excellent. We really need to get this policy down with a little time to spare before Raven Rise comes out. AlohaSoy 01:37, 14 April 2008 (IDT)


Conclusion

Because Raven Rise comes out in just a couple days, I'm going to implement Bella Swan's Main-Page spoiler warning. I encourage discussion to continue as to our long-term spoiler plans. AlohaSoy 23:19, 18 May 2008 (IDT)

Traveler Template

Written on the traveler's template is "Travelers in bold are still living as of Raven Rise" this line could spoil the book for those that have not yet finished. While I know they assume the risk of spoilers while on this site and we should not be held accountable this seems, to me, unnecessary. The information of which travelers are alive and dead can easily be found on their respective pages and this line just seems like it is setting people of for spoilers and is more of a risk then an asset. 72.152.51.111 02:05, 9 June 2008 (IDT)


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